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CCNP Lab Part 5 – CCNP Wireless Config (Poll)

So far in this CCNP lab series, we've discussed all of the gear you'll need for studying the topics in BCMSN and ONT, except for the wireless coverage. Today I'll look at the wireless coverage in CCNP - it's only in the BCMSN and ONT exams, not in the other two CCNP exams - and look at what should be some clear trade-offs when building a low-cost lab to prepare for CCNP. Then I'll let you all click a poll so we can know what the group is generally thinking about for wireless.

First, for perspective, here are the official exam topics from ONT that mention wireless:

  • 1. Describe and Configure wireless security on Cisco Clients and APs (e.g., SSID, WEP, LEAP, etc.).
  • 2. Configure and verify basic WCS configuration (i.e., login, add/review controller/AP status, security, and import/review maps).
  • 3. Describe and configure WLAN QoS.

And from BCMSN:

  • 4. Configure a wireless client (i.e., ADU).

(Note that on the Cisco web site, the exam topics aren't numbered - I numbered them here so I can reference them easily.)

Also, it's useful to list a few of the acronyms that are mentioned in those exam topics:

  • Wireless Control System - WCS - Cisco software that manages, configures, and monitors APs, LAPs, and WLCs.
  • Wireless LAN Controller - WLC - Cisco device that actively controls Lightweight Access Points (LAPs)
  • Lightweight Access Point - LAP - A wireless access point that is designed to rely on a WLC for configuration and firmware. The LAP performs all real-time functions, like managing access to the RF medium, with non-real-time functions being performed by the WLC.
  • Aironet Desktop Utility - ADU - The software and drivers for a Cisco wireless LAN card intended for use in PCs as a wireless client card.

With all that mess out of the way, what's that mean as far as choosing lab gear? As usual, I'm basing my lab recommendations on what's listed in the exam topics, as well as in the authorized courseware and in the Cisco Press Exam Cert Guides. From that analysis, it looks like there are three major choices you can make it you buy any wireless lab gear for CCNP study.

First, you can get 1 Cisco Aironet wireless card, and a used AP (not LAP) - so you don't need WCs or a WLC. I figure about $150 on EBay. With those, you can practice objectives 1 and 4 from the list above. Easy enough.

The dilemma comes when deciding how  badly you want hands-on practice for exam topics 2 and 3 above. After looking at the lab guide from the official ONT course, and the ONT exam Certification Guide from Cisco Press, the associated coverage in those sources focus on the WCS software and on configuring LAPs - which in turn requires a WLC. A quick search on EBay shows the cheapest buy-it-now WLC at over $1500, which blows the whole CCNP budget. So, you could download the WCS software from cisco.com, assuming your relationship with Cisco allows that. However, it seems cost prohibitive to spend the bucks on the WLC.

The other choice is to go cheap on the WLAN gear, and spend the money elsewhere. Most everyone has a WLAN NIC in their laptop (if you have a laptop), or you can get a cheaper consumer-market NIC, like a linksys NIC. Many people already have a WLAN router/AP for their home Internet connection. You could experiment with the configuration settings on those devices, ignore the Cisco Aironet series - at least for buying lab gear - and just read about the details of the equivalent with WCS and WLC. Then you could spend your money on other CCNP gear.

So, I have two questions back to you folks. You helped a lot with the CCNA discussion on which gear you'd buy for cheap. If you bought Cisco aironet NICs and APs for your lab, which models do you think you'd buy? Or did you buy? And the second question is, given the details listed here, what would you buy? To answer that 2nd question, I tossed in a survey. Thanks!!!

Wireless options

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Getting the WCS and WLC are probably not worth the money for your studies. That's a good chunk of change for one line-item on the ONT blueprint. Save your money. Even if you have to retake the test one or twice before passing because of your lack of hands-on experience in this area (which is doubtful), you're probably still ahead money-wise.

In terms of options for the wireless cards and APs, here are my suggestions.

The A/B/G Cisco wireless cards sell for cheap on EBay ($20-$30 with shipping). That will let you do the client config stuff for the BCMSN.

For an autonomous AP, the 1220 series is probably a good cheap option. I'm seeing some of these listed for $50-$80 including shipping on EBay (just search for "cisco wireless"). You will probably only see these as 802.11b APs. But for studying purposes, they should be fine. We have a bunch of these at my company as well as newer 1240 and 1130 series that do 802.11a/g. The configs between them are very similar.

Just a disclaimer, I have yet to study for my BCMSN or ONT tests, so I don't know what specific wireless config topics are covered. But if it can be practiced on an autonomous AP, this should do the job.

Hi J, So maybe $70-110 for a

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Hi J,

So maybe $70-110 for a NIC/AP combo for study, from your experience. Certainly makes that a more reasonable part of the overall CCNP budget. And I agree, even if you got the software for free, buying a WLC just for lab practice certainly seems like way overkill. Thanks...

W

Cisco 877W

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I actually bought a Cisco 877W

I beefed the RAM up to 256MB & Flash to 36MB, and if you happen to have the Advanced IP Services IOS, you have access to a whole host of IOS features along with what is probably the best ADSL2+ Router currently available for the retail market.

Got a 2nd hand Cisco Aironet A/B/G PCMCIA Card for my laptop and I'm set.

Cisco 877W Product Data Sheet

Highlights

  • ADSL/ADSL2+ Modem
  • 802.11b/g Wireless
  • RIP, RIPv2, OSPF, EIGRP, BGP
  • IPv6
  • VPN's IPSEC GRE
  • QoS (WFQ, CBWFQ, LLQ, CBWRED
  • NBAR
  • SDM
  • IDS/IPS
  • Firewall
  • Only about $650 on Ebay!

Hope that helps

Two questions on the 877

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Shaun, Michael, and anyone else,

I've not ever seen the 877 series, other than on the web. So, let me ask some possibly simple questions.

1) Is the user interface look/feel like real IOS? Used to be the 800 series was way different, but it's been a long time since I looked

2) Is the config of the Access Point function use CLI commands, and/or GUI, and do you know if the GUI is anything like configuring a Cisco Aironet AP

I guess I could surf for some of this, but if you know the answers from seeing it in action, I've love to hear about it. Thanks...

877 Questions

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Hi Wendell

My 877W is running c870-advipservicesk9-mz.124-6.T5.bin. This is a real IOS router and is just like configuring my 26xx's, 28xx ISR or 36xx's.

You can configure the router with Cisco SDM or CLI. I am not too proficient with SDM at present so I configured the 877W using the CLI and the help of the folks at Cisco NetPro :)

I have picked up a second 877 (without wireless) and a 1242 AP for my lab to play around with and check out the SDM.

With the 877 I am amazed that Cisco managed to pack so much functionality into such a small box.

Best Regards & Enjoy the beach :)

Michael

Thanks

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Michael,

Thanks! That was exactly was I was hoping to hear. And the beach was great!

Wireless Options

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Hi All

I'm with Shaun. I have also purchased an 877W with the Adv IP Services IOS and a Cisco Aironet 802.11a/b/g Wireless Card AIR-CB21AG-E-K9 (as advised in the BCMSN Lab doc, from the CCNP Prep Center). Only problem is that I configured up the 877W and attached it to my home ADSL connection to check it out. But I like it so much I have left it in situ, so going to pick up another for my lab :)

I also have a Cisco 837 ADSL router, a Cisco Aironet AIR-AP1242AG-E-K9 802.11A/B/G and a Cisco AIR_AP1220B_E_K9 to play around with.

I have not ruled out the WLC yet, but as I have only seen them on Ebay USA and I live in Ireland plus the price of $1500 brfore shipping, if I can get by without it then I will.

Can I also ask about the WCS software. Where is this available from and is it cost prohibitive?

Best Regards,

Michael

WCS software

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The lowest end version of the WCS software, which supports up to 50 APs, lists for $3995. You may be able to find it for $2500-$3000 online somewhere.

If you want a Windows version, I believe you also need server 2000/2003 to install it on. There is also a Linux/RedHat version.

Not having taken the ONT test, I can't speak from experience. But I have a hard time imagining that there will be a lot of questions on WCS that would need hands-on experience to answer. I have a feeling your time and money could be invested elsewhere more effectively.

Cisco 851/871

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I am just curious why no one has mentioned the 851 or the 871 routers? Both support wireless as well as IOS 12.4 and you can find an 851 with antenna for under $300 via eBay..

I do see the 851 offered for around $150 but guessing that you have to buy an antenna... not sure... regardless $150 is not a bad price for a router with 12.4.. Somewhat curious as to whether or not it could possibly be a less expensive substitute for one of the the 2600XM's that would be acquired during the lab building process.. Just trying to save as much as possible.. LoL

I am also curious if there is a USB Aironet solution for people with newer laptops (No PCMCIA slot)...

800 series and 851/871

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Hey mac.zen,

I'll look at those two models a little more closely when I get into pricing out full topologies. So far in the CCNP series, I've been thinking about used prices in general for the full 800 series, with the main impetus being that you can get the 12.4 IOS, not worrying about other interfaces. It's tough to balance how much time I run around ebay and the feature navigator for posting stuff in a blog - the time can add up - but I'll add them to the list. Thanks for the suggestion! And of course, saving a few bucks is one of the main reasons for this series anyway...

Wendell

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About Wendell Odom

Odom, CCIE No, 1624, splits time between writing books for Cisco Press and teaching classes for Skyline ATS. In his 25-ish years in the networking industry, he has worked as as a pre-sale and post-sale SE for a few networking vendors, as well as a network engineer implementing network technology. Wendell has spent the majority of the last 15 years teaching, consulting, and writing about networking technologies, most of which in some way relate to Cisco products. His books include titles on QoS, CCIE R/S, as well as several titles related to CCNA certification, including the September 2007 book CCNA Official Exam Certification Library (CCNA Exam 640-802) (Read a sneak peek of chapter 7). Click for the list of current titles by Wendell.

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